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		<title>By: SayBlade</title>
		<link>http://wanderingspace.net/2006/11/the-surface-of-venus-revealed/#comment-6247</link>
		<dc:creator>SayBlade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 00:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mars, Venus and the Moon are no one's.  They belong to the universe. Their exploration is exciting and enlightening.  As "thomas" July 17th, 2009 at 12:50 am says, NASA and the Soviet space agency are not the focus here. 

To whom, then does Earth really belong?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mars, Venus and the Moon are no one&#8217;s.  They belong to the universe. Their exploration is exciting and enlightening.  As &#8220;thomas&#8221; July 17th, 2009 at 12:50 am says, NASA and the Soviet space agency are not the focus here. </p>
<p>To whom, then does Earth really belong?</p>
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		<title>By: thomas</title>
		<link>http://wanderingspace.net/2006/11/the-surface-of-venus-revealed/#comment-5259</link>
		<dc:creator>thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 03:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>uh, the first paragraph merely lays out the political situation. the moon was #1, mars was #2… the US managed to come out ahead and while the US put all their efforts on those two targets, the Soviets saw an opportunity to grab the limelight at Venus. 

its just true.

if the Soviets had landed on Mars successfully (and credit to them for trying to land there YEARS ahead of Viking), I suspect that they would probably not have developed the Venera program. the second paragraph recognizes this and in retrospect, Venus turned out to be a much harder target to explore than Mars could ever be.

besides, the article is not about how awesome NASA or the USSR was, its about the incredible projections that have only become available 30+ years after the mission end.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>uh, the first paragraph merely lays out the political situation. the moon was #1, mars was #2… the US managed to come out ahead and while the US put all their efforts on those two targets, the Soviets saw an opportunity to grab the limelight at Venus. </p>
<p>its just true.</p>
<p>if the Soviets had landed on Mars successfully (and credit to them for trying to land there YEARS ahead of Viking), I suspect that they would probably not have developed the Venera program. the second paragraph recognizes this and in retrospect, Venus turned out to be a much harder target to explore than Mars could ever be.</p>
<p>besides, the article is not about how awesome NASA or the USSR was, its about the incredible projections that have only become available 30+ years after the mission end.</p>
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		<title>By: Ehren</title>
		<link>http://wanderingspace.net/2006/11/the-surface-of-venus-revealed/#comment-5237</link>
		<dc:creator>Ehren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 23:15:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I take exception to the portrayal of the Ruskies in this article. You make it sound as if the United Statesians beat the Russians to every punch there was, and that Russians only went to Venus because they wouldn't have to compete with us there. Bullshit. The very first successful landing of any spacecraft on another planet was the Russian Venera 7 on Venus. That's an achievement. The cold war is over, give credit where it is due. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venera_7</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I take exception to the portrayal of the Ruskies in this article. You make it sound as if the United Statesians beat the Russians to every punch there was, and that Russians only went to Venus because they wouldn&#8217;t have to compete with us there. Bullshit. The very first successful landing of any spacecraft on another planet was the Russian Venera 7 on Venus. That&#8217;s an achievement. The cold war is over, give credit where it is due. </p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venera_7" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venera_7</a></p>
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		<title>By: I Wander in Space &#124; blog.choppingblock.com</title>
		<link>http://wanderingspace.net/2006/11/the-surface-of-venus-revealed/#comment-4493</link>
		<dc:creator>I Wander in Space &#124; blog.choppingblock.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 20:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] who took the old data from Soviet Venus landers and rendered out an accurate representation of the surface of Venus 40+ years later. If and when I do that kind of work, I am doing it at 10% the level they do. I am a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] who took the old data from Soviet Venus landers and rendered out an accurate representation of the surface of Venus 40+ years later. If and when I do that kind of work, I am doing it at 10% the level they do. I am a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: thomas</title>
		<link>http://wanderingspace.net/2006/11/the-surface-of-venus-revealed/#comment-3963</link>
		<dc:creator>thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 05:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>all i did is some fancy photoshop tricks. don is the real deal. i kneel at the alter of space imaging from people like him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>all i did is some fancy photoshop tricks. don is the real deal. i kneel at the alter of space imaging from people like him.</p>
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		<title>By: Trev-MUN</title>
		<link>http://wanderingspace.net/2006/11/the-surface-of-venus-revealed/#comment-3952</link>
		<dc:creator>Trev-MUN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 13:18:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow! This is the kind of thing I was hoping to find--some attempt at taking the actual photographs from the Soviet missions and giving us an idea of what it would be like to stand on the Venusian surface and look with our own eyes.

Both you and Don Mitchell did a great job at adjusting the photos for that purpose.

Also, for that Tom Candee fellow who turned up his nose at this stuff while declaring the whole of human space exploration fake and a conspiracy, allow me to quote XKCD concerning people like you:

"Please, stop, because seeing you like this breaks my heart. Conspiracy theories represent a known glitch in human reasoning."

Or better yet, a quote from the same place: "Dear God, I would like to file a bug report."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! This is the kind of thing I was hoping to find&#8211;some attempt at taking the actual photographs from the Soviet missions and giving us an idea of what it would be like to stand on the Venusian surface and look with our own eyes.</p>
<p>Both you and Don Mitchell did a great job at adjusting the photos for that purpose.</p>
<p>Also, for that Tom Candee fellow who turned up his nose at this stuff while declaring the whole of human space exploration fake and a conspiracy, allow me to quote XKCD concerning people like you:</p>
<p>&#8220;Please, stop, because seeing you like this breaks my heart. Conspiracy theories represent a known glitch in human reasoning.&#8221;</p>
<p>Or better yet, a quote from the same place: &#8220;Dear God, I would like to file a bug report.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: thomas</title>
		<link>http://wanderingspace.net/2006/11/the-surface-of-venus-revealed/#comment-2871</link>
		<dc:creator>thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:19:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>they are different views. you can see the rocks that are center in don’s image are far right in the top ones. i didn’t make an effort to show the originals that made don’s because i assume he used bits and parts of all the images taken to fill in all the missing gaps.

i also do not know if some of the extensions on the craft were extended after some images were made.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>they are different views. you can see the rocks that are center in don’s image are far right in the top ones. i didn’t make an effort to show the originals that made don’s because i assume he used bits and parts of all the images taken to fill in all the missing gaps.</p>
<p>i also do not know if some of the extensions on the craft were extended after some images were made.</p>
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		<title>By: brian</title>
		<link>http://wanderingspace.net/2006/11/the-surface-of-venus-revealed/#comment-2854</link>
		<dc:creator>brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 01:36:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm confused as to why the color calibration strip is not visible in Mitchell's composite, and why there is a different extension of the craft that can not be seen in either spherical image.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m confused as to why the color calibration strip is not visible in Mitchell&#8217;s composite, and why there is a different extension of the craft that can not be seen in either spherical image.</p>
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		<title>By: thomas</title>
		<link>http://wanderingspace.net/2006/11/the-surface-of-venus-revealed/#comment-2815</link>
		<dc:creator>thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 11:38:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Besides the tons of data that exists from the landing (which you can see much of on Don’s site), it would seem odd that the Soviets “faked” anything when so many of the missions failed. Some of the Venus missions failed, but keep in mind as many as 9 out of 20 Russian missions to Mars failed. If they were in the business of faking anything, why wouldn’t they fake them all?

Besides, the data is not a secret anymore. I would also suspect that if all the image data was not real… Don would not have been able to compile all those bits and have them line-up just right to get the above image. If it were faked with 30 year old technology, you would see obvious flaws and misalignments in Don’s results.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Besides the tons of data that exists from the landing (which you can see much of on Don’s site), it would seem odd that the Soviets “faked” anything when so many of the missions failed. Some of the Venus missions failed, but keep in mind as many as 9 out of 20 Russian missions to Mars failed. If they were in the business of faking anything, why wouldn’t they fake them all?</p>
<p>Besides, the data is not a secret anymore. I would also suspect that if all the image data was not real… Don would not have been able to compile all those bits and have them line-up just right to get the above image. If it were faked with 30 year old technology, you would see obvious flaws and misalignments in Don’s results.</p>
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		<title>By: Dann</title>
		<link>http://wanderingspace.net/2006/11/the-surface-of-venus-revealed/#comment-2806</link>
		<dc:creator>Dann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 11:36:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Artistic licence indeed. 

Is there any detail available of the calculations which were made to affect a landing in one piece on a piece of flatish ground? 

I'm really curious how these guys actually specced the thing. I would say it reeks of bullshit myself, but conspiracies aside, there must have been some serious planning involved and a lot of speculation. In the days of big transistors, it must have had a fair old bulk of electronics. What was it powered by, how were the photos recorded?

I think it is so highly unlikely the even took place, I'd like some info on how they actually did it (with proper data). Is that still a secret after all these years?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Artistic licence indeed. </p>
<p>Is there any detail available of the calculations which were made to affect a landing in one piece on a piece of flatish ground? </p>
<p>I&#8217;m really curious how these guys actually specced the thing. I would say it reeks of bullshit myself, but conspiracies aside, there must have been some serious planning involved and a lot of speculation. In the days of big transistors, it must have had a fair old bulk of electronics. What was it powered by, how were the photos recorded?</p>
<p>I think it is so highly unlikely the even took place, I&#8217;d like some info on how they actually did it (with proper data). Is that still a secret after all these years?</p>
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		<title>By: pligg.com</title>
		<link>http://wanderingspace.net/2006/11/the-surface-of-venus-revealed/#comment-1671</link>
		<dc:creator>pligg.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 04:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;The Surface of Venus Revealed...&lt;/strong&gt;

Even though this is old content… i make a point of posting it whenever possible. Not enough people have seen the incredible work of Don Mitchell and his re-working of old Soviet Venera surface images of Venus. This is a new world to us using 30+ year...</description>
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<p>Even though this is old content… i make a point of posting it whenever possible. Not enough people have seen the incredible work of Don Mitchell and his re-working of old Soviet Venera surface images of Venus. This is a new world to us using 30+ year&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Sandro Malta Moran</title>
		<link>http://wanderingspace.net/2006/11/the-surface-of-venus-revealed/#comment-1606</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandro Malta Moran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 21:51:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I think that it was a great achievement, to reach the Venus surface, a very hostile place. I think the man never could reach this planet in manned missions, so our next goal is Mars. When the mankind arrive there, we'll be a really interplanetary race, and we could reach other celestial bodies in our solar system.

I hope to live to witness it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I think that it was a great achievement, to reach the Venus surface, a very hostile place. I think the man never could reach this planet in manned missions, so our next goal is Mars. When the mankind arrive there, we&#8217;ll be a really interplanetary race, and we could reach other celestial bodies in our solar system.</p>
<p>I hope to live to witness it!</p>
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		<title>By: thomas</title>
		<link>http://wanderingspace.net/2006/11/the-surface-of-venus-revealed/#comment-1573</link>
		<dc:creator>thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 06:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>no, i mean… the originals are not that large to start and don has asked that i not distribute the image any larger as some “for profit” publications have used his work without permission. don doesn’t mind non-profit distribution but understandably wants to retain his ownership of all his hard word, not to mention the genius of even realizing such a re-interpretation of 35 year old data was even possible on such a dramatic level.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>no, i mean… the originals are not that large to start and don has asked that i not distribute the image any larger as some “for profit” publications have used his work without permission. don doesn’t mind non-profit distribution but understandably wants to retain his ownership of all his hard word, not to mention the genius of even realizing such a re-interpretation of 35 year old data was even possible on such a dramatic level.</p>
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		<title>By: jparenti</title>
		<link>http://wanderingspace.net/2006/11/the-surface-of-venus-revealed/#comment-1572</link>
		<dc:creator>jparenti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 12:03:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent work coloring the photo, and it looks real enough to me.  The probe's original pictures were fantastic, and Mitchell's work made it even more exciting.  With color the terrain really seems real.  Do you have a larger resolution file available of this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent work coloring the photo, and it looks real enough to me.  The probe&#8217;s original pictures were fantastic, and Mitchell&#8217;s work made it even more exciting.  With color the terrain really seems real.  Do you have a larger resolution file available of this?</p>
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		<title>By: thomas</title>
		<link>http://wanderingspace.net/2006/11/the-surface-of-venus-revealed/#comment-1471</link>
		<dc:creator>thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 03:16:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>k. is the “UD” supposed to be US and is “lyinng” supposed to be lying? conspiracy theories are like assholes. i don’t think WW2 happened either… really. it was just faked to boost the world economy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>k. is the “UD” supposed to be US and is “lyinng” supposed to be lying? conspiracy theories are like assholes. i don’t think WW2 happened either… really. it was just faked to boost the world economy.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Candee</title>
		<link>http://wanderingspace.net/2006/11/the-surface-of-venus-revealed/#comment-1470</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Candee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 01:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please...the venus and mars pics, like the moon landings are fakes...Its all about the UD and Russians lyinng, each claiming they were more advanced than the other</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please&#8230;the venus and mars pics, like the moon landings are fakes&#8230;Its all about the UD and Russians lyinng, each claiming they were more advanced than the other</p>
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		<title>By: thomas</title>
		<link>http://wanderingspace.net/2006/11/the-surface-of-venus-revealed/#comment-1354</link>
		<dc:creator>thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2007 03:15:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am on CS3… we actually beta test Adobe products, mostly Illustrator… but I used to teach Photoshop at SVA in NYC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am on CS3… we actually beta test Adobe products, mostly Illustrator… but I used to teach Photoshop at SVA in NYC.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
		<link>http://wanderingspace.net/2006/11/the-surface-of-venus-revealed/#comment-1353</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 19:41:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thomas,  What version of Adobe Photoshop are you using?
Are you using Adobe Photoshop elements, or the CS3 complete package?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thomas,  What version of Adobe Photoshop are you using?<br />
Are you using Adobe Photoshop elements, or the CS3 complete package?</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
		<link>http://wanderingspace.net/2006/11/the-surface-of-venus-revealed/#comment-1351</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 17:50:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, the greenish tinge to the rocks looks interesting, but I think it is a color filtering artifact.  Basaltic rocks on Earth are almost totally jet black.  Since the Venusian surface seems to mostly be basaltic in nature, it should appear brown or reddish to our eyes in that environment. 

Yes, I noticed the metallic salmon color in that other image as well and thought that it was probably closer to reality, but I think it is another attempt at color filtering.  Rayleigh scattering algorithms yield a result very close to that color under conditions similar to those at the Venus surface.  However, there are other compounds in the atmosphere there that probably shift the color one way or the other.  A good example of this is sulfur dioxide.  Carbon Dioxide, which is what makes up a good majority of the Venusian atmosphere would yield a white or clear color, but at 90 to 100 bars and 860 degrees F  at the surface and sulfur dioxide added, we get more reddish/orange to dark yellow/tan.
Also, the amount of ambient light at lander location at any given time will likely shift from darker to lighter versions of surface and sky color as is the case with Mars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, the greenish tinge to the rocks looks interesting, but I think it is a color filtering artifact.  Basaltic rocks on Earth are almost totally jet black.  Since the Venusian surface seems to mostly be basaltic in nature, it should appear brown or reddish to our eyes in that environment. </p>
<p>Yes, I noticed the metallic salmon color in that other image as well and thought that it was probably closer to reality, but I think it is another attempt at color filtering.  Rayleigh scattering algorithms yield a result very close to that color under conditions similar to those at the Venus surface.  However, there are other compounds in the atmosphere there that probably shift the color one way or the other.  A good example of this is sulfur dioxide.  Carbon Dioxide, which is what makes up a good majority of the Venusian atmosphere would yield a white or clear color, but at 90 to 100 bars and 860 degrees F  at the surface and sulfur dioxide added, we get more reddish/orange to dark yellow/tan.<br />
Also, the amount of ambient light at lander location at any given time will likely shift from darker to lighter versions of surface and sky color as is the case with Mars.</p>
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		<title>By: thomas</title>
		<link>http://wanderingspace.net/2006/11/the-surface-of-venus-revealed/#comment-1350</link>
		<dc:creator>thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 17:16:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>for instance… why the stark difference on the second color image from venera where the rocks almost seem a metallic salmon color?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>for instance… why the stark difference on the second color image from venera where the rocks almost seem a metallic salmon color?</p>
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		<title>By: thomas</title>
		<link>http://wanderingspace.net/2006/11/the-surface-of-venus-revealed/#comment-1349</link>
		<dc:creator>thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 17:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you know, when i did this i had intended to and only started with the one as it just seemed more interesting in that there were what seemed to be some valley-like structures in the vicinity. usually these landers always wind up in fairly flat areas to offer safe touchdown. of course, that valley may be exaggerated as it comes from an area of the original scan that is most distorted and right next to the area of complete data loss.

i think i might be tempted to get the original right and then move on to the second. 

what do you think of the greenish tinge to the rocks from the original venera images? that always seemed strange to me and yet gorgeous among the surrounding orange/yellows and browns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you know, when i did this i had intended to and only started with the one as it just seemed more interesting in that there were what seemed to be some valley-like structures in the vicinity. usually these landers always wind up in fairly flat areas to offer safe touchdown. of course, that valley may be exaggerated as it comes from an area of the original scan that is most distorted and right next to the area of complete data loss.</p>
<p>i think i might be tempted to get the original right and then move on to the second. </p>
<p>what do you think of the greenish tinge to the rocks from the original venera images? that always seemed strange to me and yet gorgeous among the surrounding orange/yellows and browns.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 16:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No problem Thomas.  I'm glad to help.  Consider the surface color explanation found at http://www.mentallandscape.com/C_CatalogVenus.htm
There are some accurate sky color graphs for Venera's 13 and 14 on this page.  
Your last revision of your color image looks like it's getting close, but we may need to go darker orange for the sky, which should also adjust the ground color.
Can you apply color to the second Don Mitchell corrected image?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No problem Thomas.  I&#8217;m glad to help.  Consider the surface color explanation found at <a href="http://www.mentallandscape.com/C_CatalogVenus.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.mentallandscape.com/C_CatalogVenus.htm</a><br />
There are some accurate sky color graphs for Venera&#8217;s 13 and 14 on this page.<br />
Your last revision of your color image looks like it&#8217;s getting close, but we may need to go darker orange for the sky, which should also adjust the ground color.<br />
Can you apply color to the second Don Mitchell corrected image?</p>
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		<title>By: thomas</title>
		<link>http://wanderingspace.net/2006/11/the-surface-of-venus-revealed/#comment-1347</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 15:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeah, definitely me on this. Don has seen this, but i am not quite sure that he is as into the idea of artistically representing this image in color. i myself have some doubts about color in these images that are not based purely upon data, but as i have NO WAY of doing that kind of work (and likely doesn't exist in the venera collection) i can't resist doing it here as it is irresistible because Don’s work is so awesome and just the final step of adding color would be such a home run.

i will go into the file again and work on removing blue directly from that channel. 

thanks for helping me get it closer to accurate although, we may never REALLY know. its a safe bet its not blue, that we can assume.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah, definitely me on this. Don has seen this, but i am not quite sure that he is as into the idea of artistically representing this image in color. i myself have some doubts about color in these images that are not based purely upon data, but as i have NO WAY of doing that kind of work (and likely doesn&#8217;t exist in the venera collection) i can&#8217;t resist doing it here as it is irresistible because Don’s work is so awesome and just the final step of adding color would be such a home run.</p>
<p>i will go into the file again and work on removing blue directly from that channel. </p>
<p>thanks for helping me get it closer to accurate although, we may never REALLY know. its a safe bet its not blue, that we can assume.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
		<link>http://wanderingspace.net/2006/11/the-surface-of-venus-revealed/#comment-1345</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 15:12:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thomas, you might want to shift the color a bit more toward the orange.  It should look more like the surface images of Titan, but more orange/red.  Look at the reflection off of the drill boom hinge on your image.  It has an orange hue to it.
The Rayleigh scattering at 100Bars almost completely filters out blue light, so in reality, we should be seeing an orange to red color of the ground and the sky line.
Also, with an atmosphere of carbon dioxide predominance, we should see refraction at the horizon, but it seems this Venera craft is sitting in a small depression so we can't see that effect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thomas, you might want to shift the color a bit more toward the orange.  It should look more like the surface images of Titan, but more orange/red.  Look at the reflection off of the drill boom hinge on your image.  It has an orange hue to it.<br />
The Rayleigh scattering at 100Bars almost completely filters out blue light, so in reality, we should be seeing an orange to red color of the ground and the sky line.<br />
Also, with an atmosphere of carbon dioxide predominance, we should see refraction at the horizon, but it seems this Venera craft is sitting in a small depression so we can&#8217;t see that effect.</p>
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		<title>By: thomas</title>
		<link>http://wanderingspace.net/2006/11/the-surface-of-venus-revealed/#comment-1343</link>
		<dc:creator>thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 06:27:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>revised.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>revised.</p>
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		<title>By: thomas</title>
		<link>http://wanderingspace.net/2006/11/the-surface-of-venus-revealed/#comment-1342</link>
		<dc:creator>thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 19:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeah, that’s exactly what Don said as well. The Rayleigh scattering in particular. I would gladly revise if I had some way of knowing how to. the sky would be easy enough to move to red/orange… but what of the ground? not sure how the technicalities would have shifted the ground colors.

is it assumed the color calibration strips were just burnt/bleached from the environment so that they could not at all be trusted? someone should computer model how those color strips would be effected by the environment and then work backwards to figure out the real colors. 

i don’t have that program :) . this was one of my earliest posts and i have since tagged this as “alternate imaging” but perhaps i should make another class as “artistic color” or something like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah, that’s exactly what Don said as well. The Rayleigh scattering in particular. I would gladly revise if I had some way of knowing how to. the sky would be easy enough to move to red/orange… but what of the ground? not sure how the technicalities would have shifted the ground colors.</p>
<p>is it assumed the color calibration strips were just burnt/bleached from the environment so that they could not at all be trusted? someone should computer model how those color strips would be effected by the environment and then work backwards to figure out the real colors. </p>
<p>i don’t have that program <img src='http://wanderingspace.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> . this was one of my earliest posts and i have since tagged this as “alternate imaging” but perhaps i should make another class as “artistic color” or something like that.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
		<link>http://wanderingspace.net/2006/11/the-surface-of-venus-revealed/#comment-1341</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 15:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The color is a bit off in your interpretation here.  The Rayleigh scattering based on a sulfer dioxide and carbon dioxide atmosphere would have an orange to reddish tinge to it.
The soviet venera landers had color strips for calabration, but they were distorted due the the temperature and pressure on the surface so they best guessed how the surface color would appear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The color is a bit off in your interpretation here.  The Rayleigh scattering based on a sulfer dioxide and carbon dioxide atmosphere would have an orange to reddish tinge to it.<br />
The soviet venera landers had color strips for calabration, but they were distorted due the the temperature and pressure on the surface so they best guessed how the surface color would appear.</p>
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		<title>By: thomas</title>
		<link>http://wanderingspace.net/2006/11/the-surface-of-venus-revealed/#comment-29</link>
		<dc:creator>thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 15:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh… and that screensaver may be able to double as a tool for me to produce various screensizes by just screen grabbing the results. its a pain right now to do all this in photoshop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh… and that screensaver may be able to double as a tool for me to produce various screensizes by just screen grabbing the results. its a pain right now to do all this in photoshop.</p>
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		<title>By: thomas</title>
		<link>http://wanderingspace.net/2006/11/the-surface-of-venus-revealed/#comment-28</link>
		<dc:creator>thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 15:17:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yes… i intend to translate all these to various screen sizes. what i am considering doing is making a flash screensaver that would just measure anyone's screen and make it work there and everywhere. additionally, i'm hoping through RSS i could have the screensaver “subscribe” to any new posts so you can automatically upload any new existing images to the screensaver app.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes… i intend to translate all these to various screen sizes. what i am considering doing is making a flash screensaver that would just measure anyone&#8217;s screen and make it work there and everywhere. additionally, i&#8217;m hoping through RSS i could have the screensaver “subscribe” to any new posts so you can automatically upload any new existing images to the screensaver app.</p>
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		<title>By: Big B</title>
		<link>http://wanderingspace.net/2006/11/the-surface-of-venus-revealed/#comment-27</link>
		<dc:creator>Big B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 09:14:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about making wallpaper for smaller screens,
say 800 x 600?  The ones you have now are too
big for the Big B.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about making wallpaper for smaller screens,<br />
say 800 x 600?  The ones you have now are too<br />
big for the Big B.</p>
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